DUST Search - Looking For Alliance

kiarbanor wrote:

Zatara Rought wrote:

kiarbanor wrote:

I think you're looking for the wrong thing, Zatara. You shouldn't be looking for people that can beat you; you should be looking for a collection of corps that need a "point to their spear."

From what I know, you guys have the talent to be that point, but when you have a collection of too much talent--too many Michael Jordans, so to speak--the alliance will fall apart.

Just like with building any sports team, you have to have talent, but then you also have to have the role players. You have to have the guy that wants the ball with 2 seconds left, but you also need the guy to get him the ball, and you need the guy willing to set the pick to get him open.

This is one of the flaws I've seen since my time in Dust. And I've been here since beta.

My two cents.

I could be wrong, as I am very often, but I would assert the Imps machine, and EoN in general as proof you can amass several corps capable of competing on the same level. It's not the "A" team that wins war, it's the b, c, and d teams that are crucial.

My corp is 40 days old, surely many other corps can recruit better in 6-12+ months than this poor scrub.

1/2 my corp is unknown talent I found watching pubs.

I'm not calling out anyone, I respect every corp that's posted they will fight.

But if I can't trust you with having my back, what do you bring to the table I can't find elsewhere?

Does every corp need to be better than us? No. But does one need to be competitive with us, I sure hope so.

And I'll wake me guys up at 4 am or make them get on at noon if you're corp has odd ass hours where the a-team is on to fight you.

Ah, I knew you'd bring those two examples to the table. Good ones, but it all depends on what you're looking for. Where are EoN and the Imps now? Sure, they dominated while in existence, but the flame burnt bright and then extinguished. So, are you looking for that , or are you looking to be part of something that lasts? I can't see the "all-star" alliances lasting because the game becomes boring and no one wants to test you.

I, personally, have no stake in this. However, I can't help but share my opinion. Thanks for listening. If nothing else, I've bumped you up to the top. :)


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Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2028	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:54:00 - [1] - Quote Reserved. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2028	Posted - 2014.01.03 17:13:00 - [2] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Reserved. Care to help make LOI relevant again? The only requirements we've come up with is that the alliance must be PC active, one of their corps must beat us in a PC, and they must have at least some plan to get eve support, if they don't have it. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2028	Posted - 2014.01.03 17:22:00 - [3] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Reserved. Care to help make LOI relevant again? The only requirements we've come up with is that the alliance must be PC active, one of their corps must beat us in a PC, and they must have at least some plan to get eve support, if they don't have it. So you are saying if a group of HS and WR can beat you... you would consider joining? We have eve support. If it's 16 v 16. Only issue I hadn't considered is if you can only get those same 16 that beat us on consistently, and not just once in a blue moon. But yes. Most definitely. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2029	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:40:00 - [4] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: I think you're looking for the wrong thing, Zatara. You shouldn't be looking for people that can beat you; you should be looking for a collection of corps that need a "point to their spear." From what I know, you guys have the talent to be that point, but when you have a collection of too much talent--too many Michael Jordans, so to speak--the alliance will fall apart. Just like with building any sports team, you have to have talent, but then you also have to have the role players. You have to have the guy that wants the ball with 2 seconds left, but you also need the guy to get him the ball, and you need the guy willing to set the pick to get him open. This is one of the flaws I've seen since my time in Dust. And I've been here since beta. My two cents. I could be wrong, as I am very often, but I would assert the Imps machine, and EoN in general as proof you can amass several corps capable of competing on the same level. It's not the "A" team that wins war, it's the b, c, and d teams that are crucial. My corp is 40 days old, surely many other corps can recruit better in 6-12+ months than this poor scrub. 1/2 my corp is unknown talent I found watching pubs. I'm not calling out anyone, I respect every corp that's posted they will fight. But if I can't trust you with having my back, what do you bring to the table I can't find elsewhere? Does every corp need to be better than us? No. But does one need to be competitive with us, I sure hope so. And I'll wake me guys up at 4 am or make them get on at noon if you're corp has odd ass hours where the a-team is on to fight you. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2029	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:43:00 - [5] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: Well I am not going to blow smoke up your azz and tell you we are the best of the best... since Kujo took the money and ran with our old A team we have been trying to piece together a new A team with better tactics. I can tell you we have a few slayers that can hold their own with anyone on dust... they just aren't recognized because they dont come on here and chest beat with everyone else. Then we shall fight and test our mettle. Do you have skype or should I mail you in game? Do you have a pfc district? Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2032	Posted - 2014.01.04 02:23:00 - [6] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: kiarbanor wrote: I think you're looking for the wrong thing, Zatara. You shouldn't be looking for people that can beat you; you should be looking for a collection of corps that need a "point to their spear." From what I know, you guys have the talent to be that point, but when you have a collection of too much talent--too many Michael Jordans, so to speak--the alliance will fall apart. Just like with building any sports team, you have to have talent, but then you also have to have the role players. You have to have the guy that wants the ball with 2 seconds left, but you also need the guy to get him the ball, and you need the guy willing to set the pick to get him open. This is one of the flaws I've seen since my time in Dust. And I've been here since beta. My two cents. I could be wrong, as I am very often, but I would assert the Imps machine, and EoN in general as proof you can amass several corps capable of competing on the same level. It's not the "A" team that wins war, it's the b, c, and d teams that are crucial. My corp is 40 days old, surely many other corps can recruit better in 6-12+ months than this poor scrub. 1/2 my corp is unknown talent I found watching pubs. I'm not calling out anyone, I respect every corp that's posted they will fight. But if I can't trust you with having my back, what do you bring to the table I can't find elsewhere? Does every corp need to be better than us? No. But does one need to be competitive with us, I sure hope so. And I'll wake me guys up at 4 am or make them get on at noon if you're corp has odd ass hours where the a-team is on to fight you. Ah, I knew you'd bring those two examples to the table. Good ones, but it all depends on what you're looking for. Where are EoN and the Imps now? Sure, they dominated while in existence, but the flame burnt bright and then extinguished. So, are you looking for that , or are you looking to be part of something that lasts? I can't see the "all-star" alliances lasting because the game becomes boring and no one wants to test you. I, personally, have no stake in this. However, I can't help but share my opinion. Thanks for listening. If nothing else, I've bumped you up to the top. :) That rebuttal seems silly from where I sit. Imps left the game because it was bad and PC was a disappointment. TeamPlayers and EoN. in general left for other games. "Lasting" in the sense of finding players that will never leave dust to enjoy other games with the majority of their free time seems an unfathomable endeavor. I don't think the alliance has to be "All Star" but I do hope there's a team that wants to forge respect from us and help us earn there's by fighting and finding a worthy corporation that shares our commitment. One thing that i'm very cognizant of is the potential for misguidedness. I could be totally wrong. Which is why discussion like this is so important. I'm a firm believer that the best ideas naturally tend to find the light. Was EoN. better in it's day than Renegade is now with AE being the tip of the spear? or are all these comparisons perhaps inadequate in ascertaining the value of having another corporation that is truly talented to partner with? I don't pretend to know. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2032	Posted - 2014.01.04 02:26:00 - [7] - Quote excillon wrote: We're a smaller corp (though we have enough to field full teams) with a large alliance, although it's entirely Eve based. Comes in handy for FW. If you're interested LMK and I'll put you in touch with our CEO. If you have ambitions for PC and can beast us in a PC battle then you are exactly what we are searching for. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2033	Posted - 2014.01.04 03:26:00 - [8] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: I'm not starting anything with you, Zatara, just stating an opinion. And simply because my opinion differs from yours does not mean it's silly. My opinion is that EoN and the Imps fell apart because the game became stale and boring. And the reason the game became stale and boring was because they won. They gathered all the best players and best corps, beat PC, and then left. It's just like any game you play; you win, it is no longer exciting because you won, and then you put it on the shelf. If Dust was kept competitive, especially PC, people would continue to play, even through the issues. Isn't it interesting the corps of EoN and the Imps were around since early beta, working through all the broken mechanics, but then they both fell apart after winning PC? Besides fixing obvious issues, competitiveness is the key to making Dust last. If there isn't fair and reasonable competition, everyone loses interest. Just my silly opinion. Good luck with your search, and bump to the top. Apologies is me feeling your assessment was silly was taken offensively, it was insensitive and unintended. However, i never said your opinion was silly because it differed from my own. I listed other reasons. From someone intimate with your observations I can see your point about EoN winning the game. But I'd disagree with Imps, they hardly "won" PC in any sense. They simply abandoned PC after making a chunk of change smacking STB and then lost to TP with the few remaining imps left and were pissed because PC1.0 was a laggy bullshit gamemode they couldn't fathom playing over other games...the rest of us in TP didn't mind and continued playing. AE wasn't any less a threat to TP when we quit for FFIVX, we just didn't care because we'd already won, and the game did in fact get boring. So i'd tend to agree with one of the 1 examples. Which is your point I missed. You're suggesting that joining an alliance on our level is to accomplish what EoN did. Which I understand, but you must know I'm the guy that fielded offers and decided to build my own corp. If I was trying to build a mega alliance I'd blue up with the best corps. Which i'm not. Asking for another team on our young level is not my attempt at building 7 corps of utter awesome. I just don't like not having one other team I trust with our back. That was something I took for granted from EoN. and I continue to believe in the efficaciousness. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2033	Posted - 2014.01.04 03:29:00 - [9] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Zero-Day Would Be The Perfect Fit For FA I Can Not Be More Bruttally Honest Here. We Always Have People To Squad With ALWAYS Contact Dy5t0pia If You Would Like To Inquire Further We Have Eve Support LOTSA EVE SUPPORT We Have Districts (hell, we even have a district on PFC for lolTraining) We Are Drama Free, 95% of us Have Mics Peak Performance Is In The Afternoon EST, Your EST arnt you Zatara We Have Further Plans Than Owning A Few Districts With hottubs inside Join Us And You Will See. It Will Be The Best Choice Your Corp Could Make Our Alliance Thread Is Here I don't care for people to squad with, with all due respect. I am pleased you have eve support. I am pleased you are drama free. Mics are good. So as aforementioned we want to join an alliance with a team that can beat us and teach us, when and where would it be convenient for us to skirmish our forces? Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2035	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:30:00 - [10] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Good points, and good philosophy. Why have not encountered of of the few sensible people on dust before? You have been hiding my friend. ;) Come squad up with me sometime if you get a minute. I'm in RND's pub channel or OH's if you're on. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2035	Posted - 2014.01.04 06:31:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Zatara, I'd have to check with my guys, but honestly, I'd love to see how we handled against your corp. Got a pfc district? Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2036	Posted - 2014.01.04 08:11:00 - [12] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Reserved. Then maybe we could launch an attack to see if it would be a good fit. Yeah you guys got a PFC district? or just skype me when I can drop a clone pack somewhere Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2039	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:46:00 - [13] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I still recommend CI, though I'm not certain if OSG could beat us :/ CI hasn't contacted me in 3 weeks. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2041	Posted - 2014.01.05 06:09:00 - [14] - Quote Nemo Nauticlone wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: excillon wrote: We're a smaller corp (though we have enough to field full teams) with a large alliance, although it's entirely Eve based. Comes in handy for FW. If you're interested LMK and I'll put you in touch with our CEO. If you have ambitions for PC and can beast us in a PC battle then you are exactly what we are searching for. I will be sending you a mail relatively soon in game. I would like to sit down and talk with you to discuss whether or not I-RED sounds like a good fit for you. I look forward to it. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2046	Posted - 2014.01.06 02:03:00 - [15] - Quote I put in an app weeks ago to CI and they just accepted it. Apologies to all who felt I wasted their time. I am truly sorry. If you wish to hire us or establish common goals (especially if you have guys that will wake up for Nyan San battles!) please contact me in game or on skype anytime. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought